kysimus on ikka selles et ei araablased ega usa ega juudid pole pailapsed.
koik nad on yhed masuurikad. kysimus on selles millist ajupesu meile tehakse.
et me ilma m6tlemata kohe k6ik muslmeid tembeldame terroristideks ja oleme n6us
et araabiamaades v6ib tsiviilelanikkonda havotada ja usas ei tohi..
Okay, riq - basically nõus...aga ainult basically. Kas vabadussõja ajal olid masuurikad nii eestlased kui (nõukogude) venelased? Kas talvesõja ajal olid masuurikad nii soomlased kui jällegi (nõukogude) venelased? Suht raske on aru saada, mis küll ometi on ka tsiviliseeritud maailmal Iisraeli vastu, kui too üritab kokku 22 vaenuliku araabiariigiga "toime tulla."
Masuuriklus Talvesõjas ja Vabadussõjas sõltub nähtavasti sellest, millise osapoole poolt asja vaadata.
Samuti peab kirjutanu kergelt demagoogiliseks Vabadussõja sissetoomist arutelus, kuna suurem osa foorumis osajalejatest ei pea või/ega ei saa patriootlikest või muudest seisukohtadest lähtudes antud kysimusse erapooletult suhtuda.
Märkus. Ylalkirjutatu ei pretendeeri olema absoluutne tõde ja võib olla subjektiivne ning ekslik.
Samuti peab kirjutanu kergelt demagoogiliseks Vabadussõja sissetoomist arutelus, kuna suurem osa foorumis osajalejatest ei pea või/ega ei saa patriootlikest või muudest seisukohtadest lähtudes antud kysimusse erapooletult suhtuda.
Märkus. Ylalkirjutatu ei pretendeeri olema absoluutne tõde ja võib olla subjektiivne ning ekslik.
Ameerikas on herr duke tuntud kui white supremist ehk teisisõnu nats. Seega ei maksa tema juutide alaseid seisukohavõtta üleliia tõsiselt võtta, kuigi eks seal oma tõetera kindlasti on.
David Duke is a former leader of the Ku Klux Klan, a white supremist - basically, a NAZI. If anyonw wants to believe anything a nut like that writes, go right ahead.
- friend of mktwtchr
- friend of mktwtchr
Kuulge mõni võiks ju selgitada, miks juut ja palestiinlane ei saa koos ühel maalapil elatud. Erinevad kultuurid? Huvitav, isegi kaks iirlast ei saa P-Iirimaal kuigi hästi omavahel hakkama. Eestlased ja venelased on siiamaani ilma terrori ja sõjata siin koos elanud (viimased 10 aastat). Mida need palestiinlased juutidelt nõuavad? Kakskeelsust? No üks asi on muidugi vaidlusaluse territooriumi jagamine, aga meil on ju samuti Venega vaidlusalune territoorium. Miks araablased tahavad juudi uusasukaid ära ajada? Kellele need uusasukad maksavad makse? Kes harisid neid põlde enne uusasukaid? Kas üks pool on teiese poole inimesi oma kodudest välja ajanud ja tema vara ja põllumaa omale võtnud?
JOKKERJOSSI vastust ma aiman, aga mida on palestiinlastel enda kaitseks öelda?
JOKKERJOSSI vastust ma aiman, aga mida on palestiinlastel enda kaitseks öelda?
Härrased,
Asi on ikka tiba ülekäte jälle läinud. Kes on nats, originaalis siis NAZI? Nats on NSDAP (Natsionaalsotsialistlik Saksa Töölispartei, saksa k., hetkel ametlikult keelustatud) liige, muid üldtunnustatud definitsioone olemas ei ole.
Vaevalt David Duke ikka nats on, Ameerikas pole natsiparteid kunagi olnudki, see loodi Weimari vabariigi päevil ja suleti Nürnbergi protsessil. Mis ei takista Duke'l muidugi tõde välja ütlemast, kuid nats ta ei ole!
Asi on ikka tiba ülekäte jälle läinud. Kes on nats, originaalis siis NAZI? Nats on NSDAP (Natsionaalsotsialistlik Saksa Töölispartei, saksa k., hetkel ametlikult keelustatud) liige, muid üldtunnustatud definitsioone olemas ei ole.
Vaevalt David Duke ikka nats on, Ameerikas pole natsiparteid kunagi olnudki, see loodi Weimari vabariigi päevil ja suleti Nürnbergi protsessil. Mis ei takista Duke'l muidugi tõde välja ütlemast, kuid nats ta ei ole!
duke pole nats, kui natsi defineerida parteilise kuuluvuse järgi, siis küll ;). kui vaadata maailmavaadet, siis küll.
Luuser, kuule... ega ei saa jah suhtuda erapooletult. Olen eestlane, kuskil ajusopis on jupp kollektiivsest mälust, mis näitab seda, kuidas suured on aastasadu eestlasi ahistanud - seetõttu kaldubki sümpaatia kangesti juutide poolele, ebavõrdses võitluses "väikese aga tubli" poolele.
Juudi Ühendriikide sõbrad - teie pime usk US-riiki ei nakata ega ole ka usutav. Üheltpoolt on CIA, FBI jne. kõikvõimsad ja valdavad infot. Teisalt saab selline ülihästi planeeritud ja koordineeritud terroriakt siiski teoks. Howcome? N.ö. ortodokssed vandenõu teoreetikud süüdistavad US valitsust asja organiseerimises, kuid kas on täiesti uskumatu, et sel lihtsalt lasti juhtuda? Teati, kuid ei takistatud...
22.06.1941 ei saanud olla N.L.ile üllatus, 01.12.1941 ei saanud olla ka USA-le üllatus - mõlema sündmuse mõju rahva võitlusvaimu lõkkele puhumiseks on raske alahinnata. Muide alati on huvigruppe, kes on huvitatud sõjast, sest neile sõda=raha.
Sieg Heil
22.06.1941 ei saanud olla N.L.ile üllatus, 01.12.1941 ei saanud olla ka USA-le üllatus - mõlema sündmuse mõju rahva võitlusvaimu lõkkele puhumiseks on raske alahinnata. Muide alati on huvigruppe, kes on huvitatud sõjast, sest neile sõda=raha.
Sieg Heil
siin hea artikkel tänasest turust
A Warren Buffett market
October 8, 2001: 8:35 p.m. ET
The next recovery should be almost ideal for Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway.
By Michael Sivy
Defense industry gets a boost
NEW YORK (CNNmoney) - Achetez aux canons, vendez aux clairons -- Buy on the cannons, sell on the trumpets.
The old saying that investors should buy on the sound of cannon fire, often attributed to one of the Rothschilds, is actually a statement about risk, not about war. The real meaning is that investors undervalue stocks in times of danger and overvalue them in the celebration that follows victory. But it's also true that unless a military conflict turns into a complete fiasco, it's usually good for the stock market.
I'm certainly not going to try to predict the outcome of "America's New War," as CNN calls it. But the key elements are in place for a strong market rally starting sometime in the next few months. The Sept. 11th attacks pushed the economy into recession, caused multibillion-dollar losses for some industries and created a climate of enormous uncertainty. But all that is now fully reflected in today's deeply depressed stock prices.
The Federal Reserve's interest-rate cuts and the federal government's spending on rebuilding and defense will almost certainly stimulate the economy. And even partial progress in dismantling the terrorist network will greatly boost investor confidence, as long as there are no further major attacks.
Times change
The war on terrorism is different, however, from any previous war this country has fought. And the current bear market is like no other bear market. So before you start adding stocks to your portfolio, it's worth thinking about the precise ways that the stock market is likely to change over the next year or two.
For starters, I wouldn't necessarily start loading up on defense stocks, many of which have climbed to 52-week highs since Sept. 11. The long-term outlook for the industry is good, because defense spending is slated to rise -- but that was also true before the recent runup. If you want to buy these stocks, wait until they're not the focus of attention.
I think big, world-class tech stocks will rebound strongly once an economic recovery actually begins. But the market over the next 10 years won't be the same as that of the past decade. Non-tech growth stocks, like the ones superstar investor Warren Buffett owns, are likely to perform much better than they have over the past few years.
Berkshire Hathaway, Buffett's holding company, has all the qualities needed to prosper in this environment. Berkshire is an unusual entity, consisting of operating companies, large equity stakes in big-cap stocks and enormous holdings in bonds. Each of these three elements has to be considered separately.
What all of Berkshire's assets have in common is a minimal exposure to high technology. The operating companies include candy manufacturing, retailing and jewelry, but the most important are property and casualty insurers, particularly the reinsurer General Re.
Berkshire's insurance divisions will suffer a one-time loss of $2.2 billion from the attacks' damage. But the long-term effect of Sept. 11th will be to boost business for major reinsurers, companies that insure individual insurance companies that need to lay off some of their risk.
Buffett's holdings
Berkshire's stock portfolio is loaded up with financial and consumer products companies, including American Express, Coca-Cola, Gillette and Wells Fargo. Those are exactly the sorts of stocks likely to prosper in an economic recovery marked by low short-term interest rates. Buffett always said his investment style doesn't work very well in a tech-driven market, and Berkshire Hathaway's sales price is still below its 1998 high.
Now, however, it looks as though we're moving into a Warren Buffett market, where Berkshire could recover its historical growth rate of more than 20 percent a year. And in addition to high core growth and diversification, Buffett has another strength -- liquidity: Berkshire's balance sheet includes more than $38 billion in bonds and cash.
Buffett doesn't believe in splitting Berkshire (BRK.B: up $15.00 to $2415.00, Research, Estimates) stock, so a single share currently trades at $72,500. Fortunately, class B shares, equal to one-thirtieth of a regular share, go for a more reasonable $2,415.
Valuing Berkshire has always been extremely difficult because of the company's extensive stock and bond holdings. Those investments, however, are worth more than $40,000 per share. After allowing for other liquid assets, Berkshire's operating businesses are going for less than $30,000 per share. Excluding third-quarter insurance losses, Berkshire will have operating earnings of more than $1,000 a share this year and is projected to top $1,700 next year.
At the current price, Berkshire is trading at less than 20 times next year's projected operating earnings. A company with Berkshire's growth record could easily justify an operating P/E as high as 30.
So after deducting the value of Berkshire's stocks and bonds, the operating businesses are at least mildly undervalued. Moreover, a broad market recovery will substantially boost the value of Berkshire's investing holdings, giving investors a chance for a double play.
A Warren Buffett market
October 8, 2001: 8:35 p.m. ET
The next recovery should be almost ideal for Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway.
By Michael Sivy
Defense industry gets a boost
NEW YORK (CNNmoney) - Achetez aux canons, vendez aux clairons -- Buy on the cannons, sell on the trumpets.
The old saying that investors should buy on the sound of cannon fire, often attributed to one of the Rothschilds, is actually a statement about risk, not about war. The real meaning is that investors undervalue stocks in times of danger and overvalue them in the celebration that follows victory. But it's also true that unless a military conflict turns into a complete fiasco, it's usually good for the stock market.
I'm certainly not going to try to predict the outcome of "America's New War," as CNN calls it. But the key elements are in place for a strong market rally starting sometime in the next few months. The Sept. 11th attacks pushed the economy into recession, caused multibillion-dollar losses for some industries and created a climate of enormous uncertainty. But all that is now fully reflected in today's deeply depressed stock prices.
The Federal Reserve's interest-rate cuts and the federal government's spending on rebuilding and defense will almost certainly stimulate the economy. And even partial progress in dismantling the terrorist network will greatly boost investor confidence, as long as there are no further major attacks.
Times change
The war on terrorism is different, however, from any previous war this country has fought. And the current bear market is like no other bear market. So before you start adding stocks to your portfolio, it's worth thinking about the precise ways that the stock market is likely to change over the next year or two.
For starters, I wouldn't necessarily start loading up on defense stocks, many of which have climbed to 52-week highs since Sept. 11. The long-term outlook for the industry is good, because defense spending is slated to rise -- but that was also true before the recent runup. If you want to buy these stocks, wait until they're not the focus of attention.
I think big, world-class tech stocks will rebound strongly once an economic recovery actually begins. But the market over the next 10 years won't be the same as that of the past decade. Non-tech growth stocks, like the ones superstar investor Warren Buffett owns, are likely to perform much better than they have over the past few years.
Berkshire Hathaway, Buffett's holding company, has all the qualities needed to prosper in this environment. Berkshire is an unusual entity, consisting of operating companies, large equity stakes in big-cap stocks and enormous holdings in bonds. Each of these three elements has to be considered separately.
What all of Berkshire's assets have in common is a minimal exposure to high technology. The operating companies include candy manufacturing, retailing and jewelry, but the most important are property and casualty insurers, particularly the reinsurer General Re.
Berkshire's insurance divisions will suffer a one-time loss of $2.2 billion from the attacks' damage. But the long-term effect of Sept. 11th will be to boost business for major reinsurers, companies that insure individual insurance companies that need to lay off some of their risk.
Buffett's holdings
Berkshire's stock portfolio is loaded up with financial and consumer products companies, including American Express, Coca-Cola, Gillette and Wells Fargo. Those are exactly the sorts of stocks likely to prosper in an economic recovery marked by low short-term interest rates. Buffett always said his investment style doesn't work very well in a tech-driven market, and Berkshire Hathaway's sales price is still below its 1998 high.
Now, however, it looks as though we're moving into a Warren Buffett market, where Berkshire could recover its historical growth rate of more than 20 percent a year. And in addition to high core growth and diversification, Buffett has another strength -- liquidity: Berkshire's balance sheet includes more than $38 billion in bonds and cash.
Buffett doesn't believe in splitting Berkshire (BRK.B: up $15.00 to $2415.00, Research, Estimates) stock, so a single share currently trades at $72,500. Fortunately, class B shares, equal to one-thirtieth of a regular share, go for a more reasonable $2,415.
Valuing Berkshire has always been extremely difficult because of the company's extensive stock and bond holdings. Those investments, however, are worth more than $40,000 per share. After allowing for other liquid assets, Berkshire's operating businesses are going for less than $30,000 per share. Excluding third-quarter insurance losses, Berkshire will have operating earnings of more than $1,000 a share this year and is projected to top $1,700 next year.
At the current price, Berkshire is trading at less than 20 times next year's projected operating earnings. A company with Berkshire's growth record could easily justify an operating P/E as high as 30.
So after deducting the value of Berkshire's stocks and bonds, the operating businesses are at least mildly undervalued. Moreover, a broad market recovery will substantially boost the value of Berkshire's investing holdings, giving investors a chance for a double play.
Sieg heil? No selle peale: käi vittu, kuradi nats. Kas siia on ka jõudnud mingid ajukääbikutest kandilised skinnid?
ma mõtlesin, et see on investeerimisportaal...
oieimaivõi - andke andeks aga see oleks ikka võind lühem olla, või kudagi kokkuvõte kuskil ja siis teemaarendus eraldi või mina ei tia - see meenutab kangesti surnuks rääkimist, et vaadake kui palju ma suudan seletada, mis kandipialt vaadates sa ikka kaamel oled, et ära arvagi, et sa nüüd kaamel pole ja kui veel tõestama üritad hakata et vaadake ma ikkagi pole kaamel, siis salgad maha järelikult jne jne.... oieiseeonikka hull lugu küll - konspiratsioon möllab - tegelt on kõige taga USA poliitilistesse ringkondadesse infiltreerunud tulnukad planeedilt Zorlak ja nüüd üritavad lihtsalt Maa pialt kõik elava hävitada, et saaks Maa tuuma siit välja vedada, kuna see on hea põlluväetis seal kus nad elavad...................
jah, iga riik passigu oma ette ja ärgu toppigu oma nina piiridest väljapoole - teeme sellise kena killustatud maailma ja siis on kõik happy ja milosevicid võivad oma piirkonnas valimatult horvaate tappa ja üleüldse oleks pidanud Hitleril ka laskma Saksamaal kõike teha, siis oleks nüüd kõik hästi...... Mudugi on USA käkki ka keerand, a no tegijal juhtub peaks siinkohal ütlema....
Ja ikkagi polnud WTC ründamise põhjus mingi hämar USA välispoliitika jm selline crap, vaid terroristide olemus ja fanaatilisus - McDonalds paha, globaalne majandus paha, USA paha, saadame lennuki majadesse tsiviilelanikke lammutama............
jah, iga riik passigu oma ette ja ärgu toppigu oma nina piiridest väljapoole - teeme sellise kena killustatud maailma ja siis on kõik happy ja milosevicid võivad oma piirkonnas valimatult horvaate tappa ja üleüldse oleks pidanud Hitleril ka laskma Saksamaal kõike teha, siis oleks nüüd kõik hästi...... Mudugi on USA käkki ka keerand, a no tegijal juhtub peaks siinkohal ütlema....
Ja ikkagi polnud WTC ründamise põhjus mingi hämar USA välispoliitika jm selline crap, vaid terroristide olemus ja fanaatilisus - McDonalds paha, globaalne majandus paha, USA paha, saadame lennuki majadesse tsiviilelanikke lammutama............
t6de s6ltub ajahorisondist. kui v6tta 1 päev siis kindlasti ka eesti vabadusv6itlejad olid syydi et tapsid metsikult venelasi. kui v6tta 11 september siis olid terroristid syydi.
kui v6tta aastakymme, siis naeme et terroristidel oli pohjus usa vagivalla parast.
kui v6tta aastat 50 siis naeme et asi on veel keerulisem, koos israeli jms.
k6ige lihtsam on vaadelda t6de kui tegevust, mis viiks rahuni.
mis siis viiks rahuni?
kui usa lopetaks oma aktsioonid ja palestiina israel saavutaks rahu.
see on ainus t6de. ma olen vagivalla vastu ja silmakirjalikkuse kah.
nazi=israel=terroristid=usa=vägivald. point!
kui v6tta aastakymme, siis naeme et terroristidel oli pohjus usa vagivalla parast.
kui v6tta aastat 50 siis naeme et asi on veel keerulisem, koos israeli jms.
k6ige lihtsam on vaadelda t6de kui tegevust, mis viiks rahuni.
mis siis viiks rahuni?
kui usa lopetaks oma aktsioonid ja palestiina israel saavutaks rahu.
see on ainus t6de. ma olen vagivalla vastu ja silmakirjalikkuse kah.
nazi=israel=terroristid=usa=vägivald. point!
riq! Kuhu jäi palestiina=terroristid=islam?
ja euroopa=terroristid=kristlus?
mcdonalds=fatty food=big butts=ugly women=less babies=more muslims So what's the point?
--friend of mtkw...
--friend of mtkw...
Shalom Fit, oled Sa vast salliv tegelane ;-) aga eks pime usk ja vihkamine käivad käsikäes...
McDonald'si suhtes turuvahiga nõus.