Spekuleeritakse ka, et Applel on villand IBM soperdamisest, ning ta kolib hoopis oma PowerPC IP portfelli Intelisse üle. See kõlaks veidi usutavamalt - Intel on ikkagi Nr 1. chipiarenduses ja tootmises - aga ma ei tea, kui suur se Apple portfell reaalselt on. Alati on aga võimalik, et Intel on juba paar aastat ülima salauskatte all PowerPC ühilduva protsessori arendusega tegelenud (käsustik peaks vaba olema, nii et IBM/Motorola tõenäoliselt ei saa kätt ette panna).
Aga kui tõesti X86 peale minnakse, panen vist kirikusse küünla ja jään ootama, et Microsoft asuks Windows asemel Linuxit jagama ;-)
Aga kui tõesti X86 peale minnakse, panen vist kirikusse küünla ja jään ootama, et Microsoft asuks Windows asemel Linuxit jagama ;-)
no näed - ja tuligi ära:
"WWDC 2005, SAN FRANCISCO, June 6 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- At its Worldwide Developer Conference today, Apple® announced plans to deliver models of its Macintosh® computers using Intel® microprocessors by this time next year, and to transition all of its Macs to using Intel microprocessors by the end of 2007."
B.
"WWDC 2005, SAN FRANCISCO, June 6 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- At its Worldwide Developer Conference today, Apple® announced plans to deliver models of its Macintosh® computers using Intel® microprocessors by this time next year, and to transition all of its Macs to using Intel microprocessors by the end of 2007."
B.
The rumors are true: Intel will be inside
Jobs talked about the major transitions in the Mac's life -- starting from the Mac's Motorola 68000-series processor to PowerPC. "The PowerPC set Apple up fro the next decade. It was a good move," he said.
"The second transition was even better -- the transition from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X that we just did," he continued. "This was a brain transplant. And even though these operating systems (9 and x) vary only by one in name, they are very different, and this has set Apple up for the next 20 years."
As the Intel logo lowered on the stage screen, Jobs said, "We are going to make the transition from PowerPC to Intel processors, and we are going to do it for you now, and for our customers next year. Why? Because we want to be making the best computer for our customers looking forward."
"I stood up here two years ago and promised you 3.0 GHz. I think a lot of you would like a G5 in your PowerBook, and we haven't been able to deliver that to you," said Jobs. "But as we look ahead, and though we've got great products now, and great PowerPC products still to come, we can envision great products we want to build, and we can't envision how to build them with the current PowerPC roadmap," said Jobs.
Intel processors provide more performance per watt than PowerPC processors do, said Jobs. "When we look at future roadmaps, mid-2006 and beyond, we see PoweRPC gives us 15 units of perfomance per watt, but Intel's roadmap gives us 70. And so this tells us what we have to do," he explained.
Transition to Intel by 2007, and yes, Marklar exists
"Starting next year, we will introduce Macs with Intel processors," said Jobs. "This time next year, we plan to ship Macs with Intel processors. In two years, our plan is that the transition will be mostly complete, and will be complete by end of 2007."
Jobs then confirmed a long-held belief that Apple was working on an Intel-compatible version of Mac OS X that some have termed "Marklar."
Mac OS X has been "leading a secret double life" for the past five years, said Jobs. "So today for the first time, I can confirm the rumors that every release of Mac OS X has been compiled for PowerPC and Intel. This has been going on for the last five years."
Jobs demonstrated a version of Mac OS X running on a 3.6GHz Pentium 4-processor equipped system, running a build of Mac OS X v10.4.1. He showed Dashboard widgets, Spotlight, iCal, Apple's Mail, Safari and iPhoto all working on the Intel-based system.
Apple needs developers' help to complete the transition
"We are very far along on this, but we're not done," said Jobs. "Which is why we're going to put it in your hands very soon, so you can help us finish it."
Widget, scripts and Java applications should work in the new environment without any conversion, said Jobs. Cocoa-based applications will require "a few minor tweaks and a recompile." Carbon-based applications require "a few more tweaks," recompiling, and "they'll work," said Jobs. And projects built using Metrowerks' CodeWarrior need to be moved to Xcode.
The future of Mac OS X development is moving to Xcode, said Jobs. Of Apple's top 100 developers, more than half -- 56 percent -- are already using Xcode, and 25 percent are in the process of switching to Xcode. "Less than 20 percent are not on board yet. Now is a good time to get on board," said Jobs.
A new build of Xcode, version 2.1, is being released today. This new release enables developers to specify PowerPC or Intel architectures. "... and you're going to build what's called a universal binary. It contains all the bits for both architectures," said Jobs. "One binary, works on both PowerPC and Intel architecture. So you can ship one CD that supports both processors."
Jobs talked about the major transitions in the Mac's life -- starting from the Mac's Motorola 68000-series processor to PowerPC. "The PowerPC set Apple up fro the next decade. It was a good move," he said.
"The second transition was even better -- the transition from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X that we just did," he continued. "This was a brain transplant. And even though these operating systems (9 and x) vary only by one in name, they are very different, and this has set Apple up for the next 20 years."
As the Intel logo lowered on the stage screen, Jobs said, "We are going to make the transition from PowerPC to Intel processors, and we are going to do it for you now, and for our customers next year. Why? Because we want to be making the best computer for our customers looking forward."
"I stood up here two years ago and promised you 3.0 GHz. I think a lot of you would like a G5 in your PowerBook, and we haven't been able to deliver that to you," said Jobs. "But as we look ahead, and though we've got great products now, and great PowerPC products still to come, we can envision great products we want to build, and we can't envision how to build them with the current PowerPC roadmap," said Jobs.
Intel processors provide more performance per watt than PowerPC processors do, said Jobs. "When we look at future roadmaps, mid-2006 and beyond, we see PoweRPC gives us 15 units of perfomance per watt, but Intel's roadmap gives us 70. And so this tells us what we have to do," he explained.
Transition to Intel by 2007, and yes, Marklar exists
"Starting next year, we will introduce Macs with Intel processors," said Jobs. "This time next year, we plan to ship Macs with Intel processors. In two years, our plan is that the transition will be mostly complete, and will be complete by end of 2007."
Jobs then confirmed a long-held belief that Apple was working on an Intel-compatible version of Mac OS X that some have termed "Marklar."
Mac OS X has been "leading a secret double life" for the past five years, said Jobs. "So today for the first time, I can confirm the rumors that every release of Mac OS X has been compiled for PowerPC and Intel. This has been going on for the last five years."
Jobs demonstrated a version of Mac OS X running on a 3.6GHz Pentium 4-processor equipped system, running a build of Mac OS X v10.4.1. He showed Dashboard widgets, Spotlight, iCal, Apple's Mail, Safari and iPhoto all working on the Intel-based system.
Apple needs developers' help to complete the transition
"We are very far along on this, but we're not done," said Jobs. "Which is why we're going to put it in your hands very soon, so you can help us finish it."
Widget, scripts and Java applications should work in the new environment without any conversion, said Jobs. Cocoa-based applications will require "a few minor tweaks and a recompile." Carbon-based applications require "a few more tweaks," recompiling, and "they'll work," said Jobs. And projects built using Metrowerks' CodeWarrior need to be moved to Xcode.
The future of Mac OS X development is moving to Xcode, said Jobs. Of Apple's top 100 developers, more than half -- 56 percent -- are already using Xcode, and 25 percent are in the process of switching to Xcode. "Less than 20 percent are not on board yet. Now is a good time to get on board," said Jobs.
A new build of Xcode, version 2.1, is being released today. This new release enables developers to specify PowerPC or Intel architectures. "... and you're going to build what's called a universal binary. It contains all the bits for both architectures," said Jobs. "One binary, works on both PowerPC and Intel architecture. So you can ship one CD that supports both processors."
2006 on enam-vähem timeline millal virtualization supportiga prosed jõuavad turule. kui macid jooksutavad ka windowsi, aga windowsi masinad osxi mitte, siis mis point on hardcore meestel MITTE osta maci? hardcore meeste arvutid pole aga budget masinad. ja ka kliendil pole midagi kaotada - ostad maci, saad osxi kauba peale. kui ei meeldi, ostad xp lisaks, sry, longhorni.
seega ilmselt msftil laheb raskeks..
seega ilmselt msftil laheb raskeks..
virtualization on see, kui yhes masinas void korraga jooksutada mitut opsysteemi, naiteks siis osx ja windows k6rvuti ja samaaegselt..
See on nüüd nii haige spekulatsioon, et tahaks Cringleylt küsida, mida kuradit ta suitsetab :-)
Samas, kui Macid jooksutavad nii Mac OS kui Windowsi softi, siis mis stiimul on tarkvaratootjatel eraldi Maci toetada? Väidetavalt kukutas samalaadne suhtumine IBM OS/2 (mis toetas nii natiivseid kui Windowsi programme).
lauris,
Raha.
http://blogs.msdn.com/rick_schaut/archive/2004/05/13/131666.aspx
"I’ll point out that this does not mean that Mac BU is going away any time soon. Anyone familiar with the business that we do and the contribution we make to Microsoft’s bottom line is very happy that we’re here. We’re one of the more profitable business units in Microsoft."
Raha.
http://blogs.msdn.com/rick_schaut/archive/2004/05/13/131666.aspx
"I’ll point out that this does not mean that Mac BU is going away any time soon. Anyone familiar with the business that we do and the contribution we make to Microsoft’s bottom line is very happy that we’re here. We’re one of the more profitable business units in Microsoft."
priitp,
jah, see kehtib populaarsete progede kohta. Aga nishitootjate hulgas võib Mac-i versiooni toetamine enam mitte ära tasuda. Samas loomulikult - kui suur hulk Windowsi tarkvara Maci all tööle läheb, on see jälle stiimul Mac-i omada.
Lisaks - MS Mac BU üks eesmärke on Apple-t ohjes hoida. Jobs vajab MS Officet selleks, et Mac oleks kontoris legitiimne.
Tegelikult vist vajab ka MS Applet - Mac OSX mingis mõttes takistab Linuxi mainstream desktop OS-ks saamist...
jah, see kehtib populaarsete progede kohta. Aga nishitootjate hulgas võib Mac-i versiooni toetamine enam mitte ära tasuda. Samas loomulikult - kui suur hulk Windowsi tarkvara Maci all tööle läheb, on see jälle stiimul Mac-i omada.
Lisaks - MS Mac BU üks eesmärke on Apple-t ohjes hoida. Jobs vajab MS Officet selleks, et Mac oleks kontoris legitiimne.
Tegelikult vist vajab ka MS Applet - Mac OSX mingis mõttes takistab Linuxi mainstream desktop OS-ks saamist...
lauris,
a) oled sa mõtelnud näiteks sellele, et kui MS enam Office't ei teeks, võtaks Apple OO käsile.
b) mäkile portimine tasub ära, kuna mäkirahval on harjumus softi eest maksta ja mis seal salata, neil tundub ka seda raha olevat :-)
a) oled sa mõtelnud näiteks sellele, et kui MS enam Office't ei teeks, võtaks Apple OO käsile.
b) mäkile portimine tasub ära, kuna mäkirahval on harjumus softi eest maksta ja mis seal salata, neil tundub ka seda raha olevat :-)
kulge, isegi steve ise ytles, et mac ei ole riistvara, mac on opsysteem! ja programmid!
ja kasutusmugavus! see et primo asemel on prisma, ei kahanda käivet.
ja kui apple sai varmis keynote ja pages'iga, mis tal siis viga v6tta filemaker, ja teha uus excel k6rvale?
je veel kaval m6te: kuna longhorni avalon ja indigo pannakse jooksma ka xp ja server2003 peal, siis mis takistab neid fwke ka apple peale portimast? kuna prose on sama, siis käske pole vaja t6lkida. ja kui kasutame kavalat VMi siis voib jumala rahus joosta sul maci aknas longhorni appid. ja veel perversem oleks, kui sul jookseks yhes masinas vmi abil osx, longhorn, linux ja msdos..
oi, progejana erutun juba praegu!
ja kasutusmugavus! see et primo asemel on prisma, ei kahanda käivet.
ja kui apple sai varmis keynote ja pages'iga, mis tal siis viga v6tta filemaker, ja teha uus excel k6rvale?
je veel kaval m6te: kuna longhorni avalon ja indigo pannakse jooksma ka xp ja server2003 peal, siis mis takistab neid fwke ka apple peale portimast? kuna prose on sama, siis käske pole vaja t6lkida. ja kui kasutame kavalat VMi siis voib jumala rahus joosta sul maci aknas longhorni appid. ja veel perversem oleks, kui sul jookseks yhes masinas vmi abil osx, longhorn, linux ja msdos..
oi, progejana erutun juba praegu!
priitp,
paljud on üritanud MS Officega konkureerida (IBM, WP, Novell, Corel, StarOffice, nüüd Sun), aga kellelgi ei ole veel välja tulnud. Seni on küll kõik, mida Jobs puudutab kullaks muutunud, aga kas temagi tahab saatust üleliia proovile panna...
Ja portimise mõttekus sõltub ikkagi turu suurusest - miks muidu Windowsile üldse rohkem progesid on, kui macimehed nii agaralt maksavad ;-)
paljud on üritanud MS Officega konkureerida (IBM, WP, Novell, Corel, StarOffice, nüüd Sun), aga kellelgi ei ole veel välja tulnud. Seni on küll kõik, mida Jobs puudutab kullaks muutunud, aga kas temagi tahab saatust üleliia proovile panna...
Ja portimise mõttekus sõltub ikkagi turu suurusest - miks muidu Windowsile üldse rohkem progesid on, kui macimehed nii agaralt maksavad ;-)
Applel polegi vaja Office asjus MS'ga konkureerida. Kui MS lõpetaks OfficeX tegemise siis ei jääks Applel lihtsalt miskit muud üle ja KUI nad OO'st ka saia teevad, milline on lõpptulemus - Apple kasutajail on taas Office ja kui see Apple Office peaks hea tulema siis see sööb ka PC turgu portides ära. Miks peaks MS nii lolli otsuse tegema - loobuma Apple kasutajate rahadest ja osadest PC omadest võib-olla ka? Ei saa aru.
priitp,
jah, Apple'l ei jääks nimelt midagi muud üle kui Apple Office või OpenOffice. Point on aga selles, et mäkkide legitiimsus kommertskasutajatele saaks (ajutise) tõsise hoobi. MS Office on lihtsalt niivõrd must-be programm, et igasuguste alernatiividega (olgu või tasuta) ei juleta (veel) riskida.
Ja mis puutub lolli otsust, siis minu meelest on MS eksistentsi ja edu alus turu raudses haardes hoidmine (== monopoli säilitamine), kasutades selleks Windowsi (peamiselt). Kui miski Windowsi monopoli ohustab, on MS kõigeks valmis, sealhulgas majanduslikult (näivalt) ebamõistlikeks otsusteks.
Lõpptulemusena võib küll saabuda õnnis Apple/OpenOffice ajastu, aga enne sinna jõudmist on oodata karme aegu.
Praegu on aga rahuaeg, MS progeb officit mäkile ja Jobs teab, et ei tohi liiga aktiivselt Gatesi mängumaale trügida.
jah, Apple'l ei jääks nimelt midagi muud üle kui Apple Office või OpenOffice. Point on aga selles, et mäkkide legitiimsus kommertskasutajatele saaks (ajutise) tõsise hoobi. MS Office on lihtsalt niivõrd must-be programm, et igasuguste alernatiividega (olgu või tasuta) ei juleta (veel) riskida.
Ja mis puutub lolli otsust, siis minu meelest on MS eksistentsi ja edu alus turu raudses haardes hoidmine (== monopoli säilitamine), kasutades selleks Windowsi (peamiselt). Kui miski Windowsi monopoli ohustab, on MS kõigeks valmis, sealhulgas majanduslikult (näivalt) ebamõistlikeks otsusteks.
Lõpptulemusena võib küll saabuda õnnis Apple/OpenOffice ajastu, aga enne sinna jõudmist on oodata karme aegu.
Praegu on aga rahuaeg, MS progeb officit mäkile ja Jobs teab, et ei tohi liiga aktiivselt Gatesi mängumaale trügida.
a) mäkkide legitiimsus kommertskasutajate seas on niiehknaa nõrk.
b) iseenesest saaks OfficeX'st kerge vaevaga LinOffice ja see oleks igatpidi mõistlik, aga ilmselt ei ole Linuxi tüüpidel pappi mida maksta. Turu ja monopoli hoidmiseks oleks LinOffice ju kasulik. Ega MS pole ainult Windows.
b) iseenesest saaks OfficeX'st kerge vaevaga LinOffice ja see oleks igatpidi mõistlik, aga ilmselt ei ole Linuxi tüüpidel pappi mida maksta. Turu ja monopoli hoidmiseks oleks LinOffice ju kasulik. Ega MS pole ainult Windows.
ms officega on lihtsalt koge vahem jama. kui teed softi millega on vahe jama, saad rikkaks.
Kindlasti on wordi/exceli sõjas openofficega oodata karmimaid aegu lähiaastatel. MS Office 12 peaks juba 100% olema xml failidel põhinev ja tegemist on avalike spetsifikatsioonidega. Tõenäoliselt teeb see lõpu opensource kaitsjate süüdistustele, et MS ei taga oma süsteemis salvestatud failide avamiseks piisavalt avatud spetsifikatsioone. Seeläbi muutub küll dokumentide kirjutamise keskkond vabaks, kuid sõltutakse rohkem MS ettekirjutustest formaadi osas.