kopter on ühtlasi Google News'i front cover story.
To MSM
kust sa seda võtad ,et Kruuda naine pardal oli????
kust sa seda võtad ,et Kruuda naine pardal oli????
leidsin juba
Kurb selgusehetk, ETV (new window): Tuukrid: inimesed on kopteri vrakis Sügav kaastunne omastele.
Vot nii. Ja ärge rohkem öelge, et terror ei ole põhjus :P
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=161864
Even more troubling are these reports detailing the murders of two Members of the American Presidents Secret Task Force to identify the true perpetrators of the September 11, 2001 Massacre, Dr. Mary E. Hamburgen who was one of the Pentagons top Research Scientists, and former head of the Secret Service protecting President Ronald Reagan, Dick Suekawa.
Dr. Hamburgen was murdered yesterday when the Finnish Helicopter she was riding on was shot down, and as we can read as reported by the Rogers Media News Service in their article titled "Divers to recover bodies of 14 believed killed in Baltic Sea helicopter crash" and which says, "Estonian and Finnish divers on Thursday started the grim task of recovering 14 bodies believed to be trapped inside a submerged helicopter that crashed in the Baltic Sea off the Estonian coast. A family member identified the two Americans on board as Lydia Riis Hamburgen, 86, of Rochester, Minnesota, and her daughter, Mary Elizabeth Hamburgen, 46, of Rolling Hills Estates, California. The two were in Estonia for a wedding, according to Arthur Hamburgen, Lydia's husband and Mary Elizabeth's father. The U.S. State Department could not confirm the information."
FSB reports state that Dr. Hamburgen had been in Estonia meeting with Lieutenant Colonel Walter T. Lord, and who is a close ‘personal friend’ of the American General Byrne who is currently under arrest, and as we had previously reported upon in our August 9th report titled "United States Military Forces Begin Coup, Top US General Arrested By Anti-Coup Factions, Russian and Chinese Military Forces Go To High Alert".
Lieutenant Colonel Lord is attached to the American Army 28th Infantry Division and the only Stryker Brigade Combat Team in the entire Army National Guard and was in Estonia as part of an exercise conducted between elements of the Estonian Army and the Maryland National Guard which are ‘sister’ units according to the US National Guard Bureau Office of International Affairs, and as they state, "In 1993, the Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces in Europe, and the Chief of the National Guard Bureau designated Maryland as the partner state for the Republic of Estonia. The purpose of this State Partnership Program was to strengthen military-to-military contacts between the United States military, and the military of Estonia, which had only achieved independence from the Soviet Union in 1991."
Though many Western media reports are not reporting this shot down helicopter as being crashed due to weather, a more truthful account can be read in this article reported by the Australian News Service titled "Chopper crash kills fourteen" and which says, "Mr Lepp ruled out "weather or technical conditions" as the cause of the accident. The weather was cloudy and windy when the accident occurred, but an aviation expert at the economy ministry said it was "OK for flying." An eyewitness told another television news programme, Kanal Two News, that he heard two loud bangs before the helicopter plunged into the sea, but the report has not been corroborated."
To the murder of the second member of the American Presidents Secret Task Force we can read as reported by the Associated Press News Service in their article titled "Former Secret Service Agent Killed In Colorado Crash" and which says, "A former Secret Service agent who had served on the protective details of presidents Reagan and Carter and was the top security director at Indianapolis International Airport died in a car accident while vacationing in Colorado.Dick Suekawa died Tuesday evening when his car veered into the center median on Interstate 70 and rolled twice near Frisco, 67 miles west of Denver, Colorado State Patrol spokesman Eric Wynn said Wednesday. Suekawa died of massive head injuries, TSA spokeswoman Deirdre O'Sullivan said. His wife, Pat, who was with him, suffered a broken arm. Suekawa, a Secret Service agent for 27 years, was named Federal Security Director at the Indianapolis airport in July 2002."
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=161864
Even more troubling are these reports detailing the murders of two Members of the American Presidents Secret Task Force to identify the true perpetrators of the September 11, 2001 Massacre, Dr. Mary E. Hamburgen who was one of the Pentagons top Research Scientists, and former head of the Secret Service protecting President Ronald Reagan, Dick Suekawa.
Dr. Hamburgen was murdered yesterday when the Finnish Helicopter she was riding on was shot down, and as we can read as reported by the Rogers Media News Service in their article titled "Divers to recover bodies of 14 believed killed in Baltic Sea helicopter crash" and which says, "Estonian and Finnish divers on Thursday started the grim task of recovering 14 bodies believed to be trapped inside a submerged helicopter that crashed in the Baltic Sea off the Estonian coast. A family member identified the two Americans on board as Lydia Riis Hamburgen, 86, of Rochester, Minnesota, and her daughter, Mary Elizabeth Hamburgen, 46, of Rolling Hills Estates, California. The two were in Estonia for a wedding, according to Arthur Hamburgen, Lydia's husband and Mary Elizabeth's father. The U.S. State Department could not confirm the information."
FSB reports state that Dr. Hamburgen had been in Estonia meeting with Lieutenant Colonel Walter T. Lord, and who is a close ‘personal friend’ of the American General Byrne who is currently under arrest, and as we had previously reported upon in our August 9th report titled "United States Military Forces Begin Coup, Top US General Arrested By Anti-Coup Factions, Russian and Chinese Military Forces Go To High Alert".
Lieutenant Colonel Lord is attached to the American Army 28th Infantry Division and the only Stryker Brigade Combat Team in the entire Army National Guard and was in Estonia as part of an exercise conducted between elements of the Estonian Army and the Maryland National Guard which are ‘sister’ units according to the US National Guard Bureau Office of International Affairs, and as they state, "In 1993, the Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces in Europe, and the Chief of the National Guard Bureau designated Maryland as the partner state for the Republic of Estonia. The purpose of this State Partnership Program was to strengthen military-to-military contacts between the United States military, and the military of Estonia, which had only achieved independence from the Soviet Union in 1991."
Though many Western media reports are not reporting this shot down helicopter as being crashed due to weather, a more truthful account can be read in this article reported by the Australian News Service titled "Chopper crash kills fourteen" and which says, "Mr Lepp ruled out "weather or technical conditions" as the cause of the accident. The weather was cloudy and windy when the accident occurred, but an aviation expert at the economy ministry said it was "OK for flying." An eyewitness told another television news programme, Kanal Two News, that he heard two loud bangs before the helicopter plunged into the sea, but the report has not been corroborated."
To the murder of the second member of the American Presidents Secret Task Force we can read as reported by the Associated Press News Service in their article titled "Former Secret Service Agent Killed In Colorado Crash" and which says, "A former Secret Service agent who had served on the protective details of presidents Reagan and Carter and was the top security director at Indianapolis International Airport died in a car accident while vacationing in Colorado.Dick Suekawa died Tuesday evening when his car veered into the center median on Interstate 70 and rolled twice near Frisco, 67 miles west of Denver, Colorado State Patrol spokesman Eric Wynn said Wednesday. Suekawa died of massive head injuries, TSA spokeswoman Deirdre O'Sullivan said. His wife, Pat, who was with him, suffered a broken arm. Suekawa, a Secret Service agent for 27 years, was named Federal Security Director at the Indianapolis airport in July 2002."
:-II Ei viici lugeda.
Statistikat eelmisest nädalast. Eestimaalasi hukkus vägivaldselt:
Kopteriõnnetuses 4
Tahtlikud tapmised 7
autoavariides 3
Rääkimata sellest, kuidas haigused viivad sama vägivaldselt hauda (ka sel perioodil paraku) oma parimas töö- ja loomeeas olevaid meie niigi väikesele ühiskonnale üliväärtuslikke inimesi. Asi, millest meedia üldse ei räägi.
On vist olulisemaid kohti, kuhu peaks ühiskond oma tähelepanu suunama? Selle kõrval paneb mingi kopteriõnnetus tõesti vaid ükskõikselt õlgu kehitama. Afganistanis kukkus hispaanlastel 2 kopterit alla tehnilise rikke tõttu. Juhtub...
Kopteriõnnetuses 4
Tahtlikud tapmised 7
autoavariides 3
Rääkimata sellest, kuidas haigused viivad sama vägivaldselt hauda (ka sel perioodil paraku) oma parimas töö- ja loomeeas olevaid meie niigi väikesele ühiskonnale üliväärtuslikke inimesi. Asi, millest meedia üldse ei räägi.
On vist olulisemaid kohti, kuhu peaks ühiskond oma tähelepanu suunama? Selle kõrval paneb mingi kopteriõnnetus tõesti vaid ükskõikselt õlgu kehitama. Afganistanis kukkus hispaanlastel 2 kopterit alla tehnilise rikke tõttu. Juhtub...
Velikij, väike vahe on ka vist kui tihti autoga sõidetakse ja kui palju kopteriga. See on umbes sama , et Concorde-tüüpi lennukid võeti liinilt maha , kuigi nendega on läbi aegade ainult paar õnnetust juhtunud. Kuid statistiliselt kui näiteks Concorde lendaks USA siselende, siis kukuks neid iga nädal alla.
karbes, vist kukkus esimene kopter nii õnnetult alla, et kohe inimesed surma said?
Ma leian et ikka on vahe sees - lennuõnnetuste puhul oled sa kaitsetu ja ei saa ise midagi parata sinna. Autoõnnetuse puhul on ikka enamjaolt nii , et hooletu liikleja satub tihemini avariidesse (seda näitab ka kindlustuse riskikoefitsent) ning tahtlikku tapmise hulka satuks suure tõenäosusega siis, kui kusagil kopli urkas parmudega salaviina jooks.
Which is safer flying or driving?
Fatalities per million trips Odds of being killed on a single trip
Airliner (Part 121) 0.019 52.6 million to 1
Automobile 0.130 7.6 million to 1
Commuter Airline (Part 135 scheduled) 1.72 581,395 to 1
Commuter Plane (Air taxi on demand) 6.10 163,934 to 1
General Aviation (Part 91) 13.3 73,187 to 1
Sources: NTSB Accidents and Accident Rates by NTSB Classification 1995-2004
DOT Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) 1995- 2004
Insurance Institute for Highway Safety
http://www.planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm
Fatalities per million trips Odds of being killed on a single trip
Airliner (Part 121) 0.019 52.6 million to 1
Automobile 0.130 7.6 million to 1
Commuter Airline (Part 135 scheduled) 1.72 581,395 to 1
Commuter Plane (Air taxi on demand) 6.10 163,934 to 1
General Aviation (Part 91) 13.3 73,187 to 1
Sources: NTSB Accidents and Accident Rates by NTSB Classification 1995-2004
DOT Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) 1995- 2004
Insurance Institute for Highway Safety
http://www.planecrashinfo.com/cause.htm
Täpsustaksin tapmise statistika nüanssi:
Nimelt suurim oht saada tapetuks on juua alkoholi sõpradega omas kodus elukaaslase juuresolekul ;)
nii, et ei pea midagi ekstreemsusi tänavalt otsima.
Nimelt suurim oht saada tapetuks on juua alkoholi sõpradega omas kodus elukaaslase juuresolekul ;)
nii, et ei pea midagi ekstreemsusi tänavalt otsima.
Miskipärast ma arvan, et ei piisa siiski ainult viinajoomisest, vaid enne tuleb vaeva näha sobivate elukaaslaste ja sõprade leidmisega ;-)
Jah, kui treidimise lõpetad ja ellukaaslase võtad küll siis tulevad sõbrad koju kah :P
Teidimise kõrvalt napib aega seda va salaviina sõpradega libistada.
Teidimise kõrvalt napib aega seda va salaviina sõpradega libistada.
Lennuõnnetuste kohta niipalju, et teatavasti tehti omal ajal kogu NL tarbeks "musti kaste Tartus. Võtsin tollal kord (riigi-!)viina ühe seal töötava inseneriga, kes rääkis samuti, et tema ei julge kunagi lennukiga lennata. Minu väite peale, et see on statistiliselt ohutuim sõiduvahend, rääkis ta sellest, kuidas näevad välja inimesed pärast lennuõnnetust. Ning et kui rong kraavi sõidab, on anss ennast kinni kuidagi hoida - lennukis see võimalus puudub.
To: Velikij
Sihukesed linnalegendid on lihtsalt enda foobiate õigustamiseks. Kui inimene kardab kõrgust või on tal alateadlik hirm lendamise ees, on see normaalne. Ei ole mingit mõtet hakata ennast õigustama lugudega koledatest surnutest (kellele üldse korda läheb, milline ta peale surma välja näeb?) ja kinnihoidmise võimalusest - selles pole midagi ebatavalist, et inimene kardab oma elu usaldada ülikeerulise seadme hoolde, mille shitust ta ei tunne.
Rongiõnnetustes muide saavad inimesed reeglina surma lömastamise, mitte kukkumise tõttu. Pealegi ootamatutel kiirendustel 5g-d ja enam ei hoia ükski vägilane ennast kinni. Rongiõnnetustel on reeglina tegu 20g-st suuremate ülekoormustega - lendad läbi vaguni nagu mürsk koos selle asjaga, millest sa kinni hoidsid.
Mul muide üks tuttav töötas Volvo tehases ja rääkis, et tema ei osta iial omale ühtegi Volvot. Mina kah ei osta. Aga hoopiski mitte selle pärast, et "vorstitehase töötajad vorsti ei söö".
Üldiselt on regulaarliinidel lendamine kõige ohutum reisimise viis üleüldse. Ja kalur on statistiliselt USA-s kõige ohtlikum amet. Those are the numbers - face it.
Sihukesed linnalegendid on lihtsalt enda foobiate õigustamiseks. Kui inimene kardab kõrgust või on tal alateadlik hirm lendamise ees, on see normaalne. Ei ole mingit mõtet hakata ennast õigustama lugudega koledatest surnutest (kellele üldse korda läheb, milline ta peale surma välja näeb?) ja kinnihoidmise võimalusest - selles pole midagi ebatavalist, et inimene kardab oma elu usaldada ülikeerulise seadme hoolde, mille shitust ta ei tunne.
Rongiõnnetustes muide saavad inimesed reeglina surma lömastamise, mitte kukkumise tõttu. Pealegi ootamatutel kiirendustel 5g-d ja enam ei hoia ükski vägilane ennast kinni. Rongiõnnetustel on reeglina tegu 20g-st suuremate ülekoormustega - lendad läbi vaguni nagu mürsk koos selle asjaga, millest sa kinni hoidsid.
Mul muide üks tuttav töötas Volvo tehases ja rääkis, et tema ei osta iial omale ühtegi Volvot. Mina kah ei osta. Aga hoopiski mitte selle pärast, et "vorstitehase töötajad vorsti ei söö".
Üldiselt on regulaarliinidel lendamine kõige ohutum reisimise viis üleüldse. Ja kalur on statistiliselt USA-s kõige ohtlikum amet. Those are the numbers - face it.
Minu meelest ajate kaks asja omavahel natuke sassi - lennukiga ja helikopteriga lendamine.
Keegi rääkis mulle kunagi umbes niisugust juttu, et sõjavä kopterilenduritele kuulub lausa väljõppe juurde seisvate mootoritega alla kukkumine - tiivikud pidid kukkumishoo maha võtma.
Kopter peab ikka plahvatama või tõesti siis see peavõll murduma, nagu Ameerikas ühel Sikorskil - aga meie kopteril ei juhtunud kumbagi?
Keegi rääkis mulle kunagi umbes niisugust juttu, et sõjavä kopterilenduritele kuulub lausa väljõppe juurde seisvate mootoritega alla kukkumine - tiivikud pidid kukkumishoo maha võtma.
Kopter peab ikka plahvatama või tõesti siis see peavõll murduma, nagu Ameerikas ühel Sikorskil - aga meie kopteril ei juhtunud kumbagi?
Ega lennuki pilootidel kuulub seisvate mootoritega maandumine samuti väljaõppe juurde ;)
Mulle tundub kopter siiski tiba kriitilisem õhusõiduk, sest kõik millega õhule toetuda ongi see propeller ja kui sealt ikka midagi pudeneb, siis pole enam midagi teha. Lennuk on oma lihtsama ehituse ja ka juhitavuse tõttu siiski lollikindlam.
Mulle tundub kopter siiski tiba kriitilisem õhusõiduk, sest kõik millega õhule toetuda ongi see propeller ja kui sealt ikka midagi pudeneb, siis pole enam midagi teha. Lennuk on oma lihtsama ehituse ja ka juhitavuse tõttu siiski lollikindlam.
Ma kopterite kohta mingit statistikat ei tea, kuid üks on kindel - kopterit on kordi keerulisem juhtida. Just tõusul ja maandumisel (mis on ka põhjuseks, miks seda lennuosa ei lasta ühelgi autopiloodil kunagi teha).
Ja kuna inimfaktor põhjustab 85% lennuõnnetustest, siis siit järeldusi teha on üsna lihtne. Ka on kopteri mehhaanika keerulisem. Kopteri pluss on võime iga pisemagi platsi peale maanduda. Isegi seisva mootoriga.
Ja kuna inimfaktor põhjustab 85% lennuõnnetustest, siis siit järeldusi teha on üsna lihtne. Ka on kopteri mehhaanika keerulisem. Kopteri pluss on võime iga pisemagi platsi peale maanduda. Isegi seisva mootoriga.
iPilot, tõsiselt, mis tal Volvode vastu siis oli? ,)